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Which four words decide your Medicare bill? Take-Home Notes, part two

September 29, 2026

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Eddie and Betty's Conversation

Betty

Welcome to The American Retirement Advisor. I'm Betty, and Eddie's here with me in the studio today, and we are diving into something that I think trips up more people than almost anything else in Medicare world, which is the vocabulary. Like the actual words.

Eddie

Yeah, thanks for having me. And I know that sounds dry, but stick with us for two minutes because these are not SAT terms. These are the four numbers that determine what you actually pay next year.

Betty

Which is what Ian Schaeffer's piece is about today. It's part two of his Take-Home Notes series from the workshop, and he zeroes in on four terms. Copay, deductible, network, and maximum out-of-pocket. And he makes the case that every one of these shows up in a letter that should already be on your counter.

Eddie

By September 30. It has all four of these numbers for next year. The problem is most people set it down and never open it.

Betty

Guilty. I have absolutely set a letter like that next to the fruit bowl and called that 'dealing with it.'

Eddie

The classic graveyard for things we're not ready to deal with.

Betty

So let's go through them. The workshop apparently gets a laugh right out of the gate on the first one.

Eddie

Because the presenter's opening line is 'Copays are copays. Everybody knows what a copay is.' And mostly, yeah, people do. It's a fixed amount. Medicare's own handbook uses the example of thirty dollars.

Betty

Whether the visit costs a hundred or a thousand.

Eddie

Right, it doesn't move. And that's the whole point of a copay. You know what you're walking in with.

Betty

So where does coinsurance fit in? Because those two get mixed up all the time.

Eddie

It's a percentage, not a flat number. The handbook's example is twenty percent. And that percentage grows with the bill. Which means if the bill is big, your share is big.

Betty

Wait, so Original Medicare's famous coinsurance rate, the one everyone talks about, that's coinsurance? Not a copay?

Eddie

That's exactly it. And Ian Schaeffer flags why that matters: a fixed fee has a natural stopping point. A percentage, on its own, does not.

Betty

That's a little alarming when you say it out loud.

Eddie

It is. Twenty percent of a very expensive round of outpatient treatment is not a small number. That's the whole reason the rest of these terms exist.

Betty

Okay, deductibles. And the article says there are more of them than people think.

Eddie

That's the presenter's first line on that slide. Three words: 'There's more of them.' And then they go through the list.

Betty

How many are we talking?

Eddie

Okay, so Part A has one. For 2026, it's seventeen hundred and thirty-six dollars, and that's per hospital benefit period, not per year. Part B has one, two hundred and eighty-three dollars in 2026. Your drug plan can have one, and for 2027 it can be no more than seven hundred dollars. And then an Advantage plan can add its own on top of that.

Betty

So in theory, in one year, you could be paying a deductible on your drugs AND a separate one on your doctor visits.

Eddie

In the same year, yes. Not necessarily, but yes, it's possible. Which is why you want to know which ones your specific plan has.

Betty

And your plan's letter tells you that.

Eddie

That's the whole point. It'll say which ones yours has for 2027. It's all in there. You just have to open it.

Betty

Fish it out of the fruit bowl graveyard.

Eddie

Frame it if you have to.

Betty

Now here's the one that Ian Schaeffer says surprises people the most in the room. The network. And I want to understand why, because on the surface it sounds so simple.

Eddie

That's exactly the trap. You go in thinking it's one yes-or-no question. Is my doctor in there? And you leave knowing it's four or five questions.

Betty

Like what?

Eddie

Your primary care doctor. Your specialists. Your hospital. Your dentist. Your pharmacy. Each one might be on a different list.

Betty

Wait, separate lists? I thought a network was one list.

Eddie

That's the twist the presenters land in the workshop. Because Advantage plans often offer extra benefits that Original Medicare doesn't cover, and the handbook names vision, hearing, and dental first. Those extras can run through completely separate networks.

Betty

So your eye doctor might be on one list and your regular doctor on another, and they're both technically 'in network' but for completely different parts of the plan.

Eddie

And if you only checked the first list, you'd never know the second one exists until you got a bill.

Betty

That has happened in real life.

Eddie

More than a few people have run into that. Which is why the advice from the workshop is to check every list for every provider you care about, not just the first one you find.

Betty

And Original Medicare is just, what, totally different on this?

Eddie

Night and day. With it you can use any doctor or hospital that takes it, anywhere in the country. The whole network concept barely applies.

Betty

That's a meaningful tradeoff depending on what you value.

Eddie

It really is. And it's the kind of thing where our advisors at American Retirement Advisors can sit down with your specific list of doctors and walk through it for your situation. I wouldn't try to do that one in your head.

Betty

No. Okay, last one. Maximum out-of-pocket. And this one has the longest definition in the article.

Eddie

Because it has a lot of important edges to it. The core idea is great: it's the most you'll pay for medical expenses in a calendar year. Once you hit it, the plan pays a hundred percent of your covered health services for the rest of the year.

Betty

Okay, that sounds like a relief.

Eddie

It is, and it's an Advantage plan feature. Original Medicare by itself, no yearly limit.

Betty

Wait, really? None at all?

Eddie

None. And Ian Schaeffer points out that's much of why Supplements exist. But that's its own conversation.

Betty

So for Advantage plans, there is a cap. What does it look like?

Eddie

Each plan sets its own limit, but there's a federal ceiling. For in-network care in 2027, that ceiling is nine thousand eight hundred and fifty dollars.

Betty

That's still a significant amount of money.

Eddie

It is. Though it's a ceiling, not what every plan charges. Some plans set their limit lower. You'd want to know where yours lands.

Betty

And here's the thing I want to make sure people catch, because I almost missed it reading the article. That cap does not include drugs.

Eddie

Correct. The maximum out-of-pocket is specifically for medical expenses, excluding prescription drugs. The article puts it in plain language.

Betty

So they have their own separate cap.

Eddie

In 2027, your out-of-pocket costs for covered drugs are capped at twenty-four hundred dollars. Separate number, separate bucket.

Betty

Two different ceilings. That one for drugs, and then the medical max. So you're tracking both at once.

Eddie

At least. Which is why the take-home note in the article is so good. It's just a little table. Write the four words down the left side of a piece of paper.

Betty

Copay, deductible, network, maximum out-of-pocket.

Eddie

And then open your Annual Notice of Change and write next year's number next to each one. For network, you write the names of the providers you want to check. That's it. That's the start of a real plan review.

Betty

I love how physical that is. Like, you're not just reading the letter. You're building something from it.

Eddie

And it takes twenty minutes. Possibly less if you've moved it out of the fruit bowl within the last month.

Betty

I'm going to retire that joke at some point and then immediately bring it back.

Eddie

It'll be in the fruit bowl.

Betty

Can we come back to the network thing for a second? Because you said it surprises people most in the room. More than the multiple deductibles, which surprised me.

Eddie

That one does more damage than the deductible math, honestly. The article's pretty clear on it. Copays and those other numbers are things you can read off a page. A network is a list you have to actively check, provider by provider, for the specific year you're buying.

Betty

And it can change year to year.

Eddie

It can, every year. Which is why this is not a one-time exercise. The same doctor who was in network last year might not be this year.

Betty

That's the kind of thing that makes people frustrated with this whole system.

Eddie

Understandably. And it's the case for doing this review every fall, not just when you first sign up.

Betty

The workshop in the article is coming up very soon. For anyone in the Phoenix area, Glendale and Scottsdale.

Eddie

Foothills Library at ten-thirty in the morning, Mustang Library in Scottsdale at two-thirty in the afternoon, Friday October 2nd. And it's at no cost to you.

Betty

You can register at 123easymedicare.com, or call eight-seven-seven, two-twenty, one-zero-eight-nine. And if you want to reach the advisors directly with questions before Friday, that number is six-zero-two, two-eight-one, three-eight-nine-eight.

Eddie

And if something we talked about today raised a specific question about your plan, your numbers, your providers, that's genuinely what the advisors are there for. The exact details of your situation are a question for them, not for us guessing on a podcast.

Betty

Which is the right answer every time. Okay, big picture before we close. If someone only walks away with one thing from Ian Schaeffer's piece today, what is it?

Eddie

Open the letter. The Annual Notice of Change. It's probably already at your house. Everything we talked about, your copays, your deductibles, your network changes, your max out-of-pocket for next year, it's in that letter. Nothing we discussed today is hypothetical for you. It's in there with your name on it.

Betty

And if you sit down with that four-word list and it raises more questions than it answers, that is not a failure. That is the right moment to call an advisor.

Eddie

That's what they're for.

Betty

Thanks for spending this time with us. We mean it when we say this stuff matters, and we want you going into your plan review feeling ready, not overwhelmed. Take the four words, find the letter, and if you want help with the rest, the team at American Retirement Advisors is there for you. We gave you their direct number a few minutes ago, so scroll back if you need it, and don't be shy about using it. We'll see you next time.

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