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The Social Security Tax Surprise: How Much of Your Benefit Is Taxable

July 1, 2026

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Eddie and Betty's Conversation

Betty

Welcome back to The American Retirement Advisor. I'm Betty, and Eddie is here with me in the studio today, as always. Eddie, we are on part four of Ian Schaeffer's Gap Years series, and this one, I have to say, stopped me cold when I first read it.

Eddie

Yeah, glad to be here, and I have to say, this piece has been sitting in my head since I read it because it touches something that genuinely frustrates people. And I get why.

Betty

So for anyone just joining us, we have been working through this series about what Ian Schaeffer calls the gap years, that window in early retirement before Social Security and Medicare kick in. We have talked about Roth conversions, we have talked about the Medicare surcharge. Today is about something that, honestly, feels almost unfair when you first hear it.

Eddie

And that reaction, that feeling of, wait, this should not be allowed, that is exactly how Ian opens the piece. He says it catches almost everyone because it feels like it should not be allowed. And he is talking about the fact that your Social Security benefit, the money you paid into the system for your entire working life, can come back to you and then get taxed.

Betty

Right, and I think a lot of people just assume that because they already paid into Social Security, they already paid their dues. It comes back to them clean.

Eddie

That is the assumption, and it is a very reasonable one. But it is not how the tax code works. Depending on your income, up to 85 percent of your Social Security benefit can actually be included in your taxable income and then taxed at your ordinary income rate.

Betty

Okay, and I want to make sure we say that carefully, because I think the wording trips people up. It is not that 85 percent of your benefit vanishes into taxes, right?

Eddie

That is such an important distinction, and Ian makes it very deliberately in the article. It is not that you lose 85 percent. It is that up to 85 percent of the benefit gets pulled into your taxable income. So then that portion gets taxed at whatever your ordinary income rate is. If you are in the 22 percent bracket, you pay 22 percent on that portion. Not 85 percent. The 85 is how much of the benefit becomes taxable, not the tax rate itself.

Betty

Okay, that is a really important distinction. Because I can imagine someone hearing 85 percent and just panicking.

Eddie

People do panic. And then the opposite happens too, where people hear a softer version of this and just shrug it off. Either way, not really understanding how it works means you cannot plan around it. And the planning is the whole point.

Betty

So walk me through the mechanics. How does the IRS actually decide how much of your benefit gets taxed?

Eddie

So there is this number the government uses called your combined income, sometimes you will hear it called provisional income. And it is calculated in a specific way. You take your other income, so things like a pension, withdrawals from a traditional IRA, maybe some part-time work, and you add any tax-exempt interest you have. Then you add half of your Social Security benefit. That total is your combined income.

Betty

And that tax-exempt interest piece always surprises people. Even income you think of as tax-free can count against you here.

Eddie

Exactly. Municipal bond interest, for example. A lot of retirees hold that because it feels like a clean, untaxed income stream. And it is, for regular income tax. But it still gets counted in your combined income for purposes of figuring out how much of your Social Security benefit is taxable. So it is not truly invisible to the IRS when it comes to this calculation.

Betty

Okay so once you have that combined income number, what happens with it?

Eddie

The IRS runs it against two thresholds. If you are a married couple filing jointly, and your combined income is above 32,000 dollars, up to half of your Social Security benefit can become taxable. If it climbs above 44,000 dollars, that goes up to 85 percent. For a single filer, the two lines are lower. It is 25,000 dollars and 34,000 dollars.

Betty

So a couple could have only 32,000 dollars of combined income and already be looking at half their benefit getting taxed.

Eddie

That is the threshold. And here is the thing that makes this even more striking. Those numbers, the 25,000, the 32,000, the 34,000, the 44,000, they were written into law in 1993. And according to Ian's piece, they have never been adjusted for inflation. Not once.

Betty

Never.

Eddie

Never. And think about what that means. A couple sitting at 44,000 dollars of combined income in 1993 was comfortably middle class. More than 30 years of rising prices later, that line is in exactly the same place. The world moved. The threshold did not.

Betty

So the rule technically did not change, but it is catching a completely different group of people than it was ever designed to catch.

Eddie

That is exactly how Ian puts it. He says it is a tax that quietly widens every single year simply by standing still. I thought that was a really sharp way to phrase it. The government does not have to do anything. Inflation does the work for them. More and more retirees drift over those old thresholds just because prices keep rising.

Betty

And nobody gets a warning. You just retire, you turn on Social Security, and suddenly a chunk of it is taxable because a threshold that was set when you were maybe in your 30s or 40s never moved.

Eddie

Right. And I think this is why the series is called the Gap Years in the first place. Those early retirement years, before you have turned everything on, are actually an opportunity to manage all of this. But you have to understand what you are managing first.

Betty

Okay, so I want to stop here because I know a lot of our listeners heard something this year about Social Security being tax-free now. There was a lot of buzz about it. What is actually true?

Eddie

This is such an important thing to clear up, and Ian addresses it directly and carefully. There was a new law in 2025, sometimes called the One Big Beautiful Bill. And based on the headlines, a lot of people concluded that Social Security is now tax-free. But that is not what the law did.

Betty

So what did it actually do?

Eddie

It created a separate, temporary deduction for people who are 65 and older. And Ian's point is that the deduction is genuinely generous. For a lot of lower and middle income retirees, it will wipe out the federal tax on their benefits in practice. So in a practical sense, for many people, the tax effect is gone. But the underlying rule, the one about combined income and those old 1993 thresholds, that is still fully on the books.

Betty

So it is more like a workaround than a repeal.

Eddie

That is a really good way to think about it. The mechanism still exists. The deduction offsets the damage for a lot of people. But it is not the same as the rule being gone.

Betty

And are there limits to who gets this deduction?

Eddie

Yes, and this is where it really matters for higher income households. The deduction starts to phase out once your income climbs past 75,000 dollars if you are a single filer, or 150,000 dollars for a couple. So if your income is above those levels, you are not getting the full benefit of the new deduction. You are still largely dealing with the original rules.

Betty

And there is a sunset on it too, right?

Eddie

It is scheduled to expire after 2028. So even for the people it helps right now, it is not a permanent fix. It is something to take advantage of while it is here, but you probably should not build your entire long-term retirement tax plan around a provision that disappears in a few years.

Betty

And I imagine because this is so new, the details are still being worked out?

Eddie

Ian specifically says that the guidance around this provision is still developing. And this is genuinely one of those spots where I would not try to wing it. The advisors at American Retirement Advisors are going to be much more current on how this is actually being applied than anything you are going to read in a general headline. That is worth a real conversation with someone who is tracking this closely.

Betty

So the bottom line is: do not assume you heard a headline and you are done. Go actually understand where you fall.

Eddie

Exactly. Ian says it himself. If you heard Social Security is now tax-free and assumed you were done thinking about it, it is worth a second look.

Betty

Okay. Now let's talk about the part of this article that I think is the most alarming name in all of retirement planning. The tax torpedo.

Eddie

I love that Ian keeps that name in there because it genuinely earned it. This is not hype. This is a real mechanical problem.

Betty

So explain it to me like I am trying to understand it for the first time.

Eddie

Okay. Imagine you are in retirement, Social Security is turned on, and you decide to take an extra withdrawal from your IRA. Just one extra dollar of income. Normally you would think, I'm in the 22 percent bracket, so I owe 22 cents on that dollar. Simple. But that is not what actually happens.

Betty

What actually happens?

Eddie

That extra dollar of income raises your combined income number. And because your combined income just went up, more of your Social Security benefit gets dragged into the taxable column at the same time. So according to Ian's piece, one extra dollar of income can push somewhere between 50 and 85 cents of your previously untaxed Social Security benefit into your taxable income alongside it.

Betty

So that one dollar triggers taxation on more than just itself.

Eddie

Right. You are taxed on that dollar, and then you are also taxed on a chunk of benefit that was sitting there not being taxed before you took that withdrawal. Your true tax cost on that one dollar is significantly higher than your stated bracket would suggest.

Betty

So you think you are in a 22 percent bracket, but your real effective rate on that decision could be much higher.

Eddie

Noticeably higher, within that band of income where the torpedo is active. And this is why Ian says it has genuinely earned that dramatic name. It is not just one tax hit. It is a cascading effect.

Betty

And so what do people actually do about it? Is there a strategy here?

Eddie

That is the key. And it connects directly back to everything we talked about in the earlier episodes of this series. The torpedo only fires when Social Security is already on. So the window to do the heavy lifting, whether that is Roth conversions or other moves that shift money out of taxable territory, that window is during the gap years, before you turn Social Security on.

Betty

Because if you do those conversions before Social Security starts, there is no benefit sitting there to get dragged into the blast.

Eddie

Ian actually uses that exact phrase. There is no benefit sitting there to be dragged into the blast. That is the whole logic of the gap year strategy. You are using those early retirement years, when your income might be lower and Social Security has not started, to do the things that would be much more expensive to do later.

Betty

I think this is one of those things that sounds almost too clever until you realize it is just math. You are not gaming anything. You are just choosing when to create income.

Eddie

That is exactly right. It is timing, and the IRS has not made timing illegal. You just have to understand the landscape well enough to know which timing decisions matter.

Betty

And I think the thing that makes this whole series so powerful is that it is all connected. Ian points that out in this piece. He says the Social Security torpedo, the Roth conversions from part two, the Medicare surcharge from part three, they all run on the same fuel.

Eddie

Your taxable income for the year. That is the single lever that controls all of them. Raise your taxable income and you potentially trigger the Medicare surcharge, you push more Social Security into taxable territory, and you end up in a higher bracket for the Roth conversion than you needed to be. Lower it strategically during the gap years and you can sidestep all three.

Betty

So they are not separate problems. They are the same problem showing up in different places.

Eddie

That is a really clean way to put it. And that is why you really need to think about them together, not each one in isolation.

Betty

I want to go back to something practical for a second. Because I can hear someone listening right now thinking, okay, but do I actually have to do all this calculating myself? How do I even know what my combined income looks like?

Eddie

So the formula itself is not complicated to explain. It is your other income plus tax-exempt interest plus half of your Social Security benefit. But figuring out what that number actually means for your specific situation, what bracket you are in, whether you are in the torpedo zone, whether the new 2025 deduction helps you and for how long, that is where the details get specific enough that it really does require someone who knows your whole picture.

Betty

And the right answer for one retiree might be completely wrong for another.

Eddie

Completely. A couple where one spouse has a pension and the other has a big IRA is in a totally different position than a couple living almost entirely off Social Security. The torpedo might be a huge issue for one and barely relevant for another. You really cannot just apply a general rule to yourself.

Betty

I also want to come back to the threshold issue for a second, because I think it is worth sitting with. The fact that these numbers have not moved since 1993.

Eddie

Yeah, it is worth sitting with. Because there is no malice in it, and there is no active decision being made against retirees. It is just a law that was written at a certain point in time and never updated. And what happens when a fixed number meets decades of inflation is that the number slowly becomes more and more aggressive over time without anyone having to vote for that.

Betty

It is almost invisible as a policy choice because nothing changed.

Eddie

That is exactly the point Ian is making. He says it is a tax that quietly widens every year simply by standing still. The retirees being caught by it today are not wealthy households relative to today's economy. They are often regular middle-income people who just happen to be above a 30-year-old line.

Betty

And there is nothing you can do about the thresholds. You cannot lobby Congress out of your living room. But you can plan around them.

Eddie

That is the only real answer here. You cannot change the rules. You can understand them well enough to work with them thoughtfully.

Betty

Let me ask you something that I think a lot of people wonder but maybe feel a little embarrassed to ask. Is there any situation where none of your Social Security is taxed? Like is there a safe harbor?

Eddie

Yes, and Ian does address this. If your combined income stays below 25,000 dollars as a single filer, or below 32,000 dollars as a couple filing jointly, none of your benefit is taxable. Zero percent of it gets included. So there is a real floor below which this problem does not exist.

Betty

But that is a pretty low number for a retired couple.

Eddie

It is. If you have a pension, if you have any meaningful IRA withdrawals, if you have investment income, you are probably going to be above that floor. The people who stay below it tend to be those living almost entirely on Social Security itself, without much else. For anyone who has saved for retirement, the odds are good that some portion of their benefit is going to be taxable.

Betty

Which is why planning matters so much. Because saving for retirement actually puts you in the position of potentially being more exposed to this.

Eddie

That is a real irony of it. The people who did all the right things, saved diligently, built up an IRA, maybe have a pension, are often more exposed to the torpedo than people who had less going in. Success creates the problem.

Betty

And I think that is part of why it feels so surprising. Because you did everything right and then you find out there is this additional tax consideration waiting for you.

Eddie

Right. And it is not a punishment. It is just a system that was not designed with the modern retirement landscape in mind. But knowing it exists is the first step toward doing something about it.

Betty

So let's bring this back to the big picture for a second. Ian closes this piece by pointing forward to part five, which is going to pull all of it together and talk about actually drawing a retirement paycheck in a tax-smart order. How should people be thinking about what we talked about today as they wait for that?

Eddie

I think the big thing to take away from today is that Social Security is not a simple on-off switch. The moment you turn it on, it enters your tax calculation and it interacts with every other source of income you have. When you turn it on, how much other income you have when you turn it on, all of that matters enormously.

Betty

So the decision of when to claim is not just about the monthly benefit amount.

Eddie

Not by a long shot. The tax interaction is a major part of the calculus. And the gap years are where you have the most flexibility to set things up before that torpedo is even in the water.

Betty

I also want to make sure we flag what Ian says about the new 2025 deduction one more time, because it is genuinely good news for a lot of people, but it is also easy to misread.

Eddie

It is good news, and it is real. For lower and middle income retirees, it could effectively take the federal tax on their benefits to zero, at least while it lasts. But if your income is above those phase-out thresholds, 75,000 for singles, 150,000 for couples, you are seeing diminishing benefit from it. And after 2028 it goes away entirely unless Congress acts. So it is worth using and worth being grateful for, but it is not a reason to stop paying attention to the underlying rules.

Betty

And because it is brand new and still being interpreted, if you have specific questions about how it applies to you, that is a conversation for a tax professional, not a headline.

Eddie

Absolutely. The team at American Retirement Advisors is going to have a much clearer picture of how this is playing out in practice than any general article can give you. I would genuinely write that one down as a question to bring to an advisor.

Betty

You know, I keep coming back to something as we talk through all of this. There is this idea that retirement is the finish line. You get there, and the hard decisions are behind you. But what Ian's series keeps showing is that retirement is actually its own financial environment with its own rules.

Eddie

And in some ways those rules are more nuanced than what you dealt with during your working years. When you were working, you were mostly just trying to save as much as possible. Now you are drawing it down in a way that manages multiple tax systems simultaneously. That is genuinely more complicated.

Betty

But not unmanageable.

Eddie

Not at all. That is the whole point. These are knowable things. You can learn how they work, and you can plan around them. The torpedo is scary sounding but it is a fixed target. You know where it lives. If you know where it is, you can steer around it.

Betty

I love that. A fixed target. You just have to know to look for it.

Eddie

And most people do not look for it because nobody told them it existed. That is the gap this series is filling.

Betty

Alright, so we are heading into part five, which Ian says is where it all comes together. The tax-smart order of drawing your retirement paycheck. I am genuinely curious about that one.

Eddie

It is going to be good. All the pieces we have been laying, the Roth conversions, the IRMAA timing, today's Social Security torpedo, they all point toward the question of what do you pull from and in what order. That is where the rubber meets the road.

Betty

And in the meantime, if today's conversation made you want to actually look at your own numbers, Ian's piece mentions that you can reach the team at American Retirement Advisors at 602-281-3898. That is 602-281-3898. You can talk through where your combined income is likely to land, whether the new deduction helps you, and what the gap year window looks like for your situation.

Eddie

And I would add, do not wait until Social Security is already on to have that conversation. The whole point of this series is that the window before you turn it on is where the real planning happens.

Betty

You worked for decades to build something. The least you can do for yourself is spend a little time making sure as much of it as possible stays with you. Find someone who can sit down with your actual numbers and walk you through it. That is what the team at American Retirement Advisors is there for. We will be back for part five, and we will see you then.

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